So Jamali, who I started stand up with – interviewed Stewart Lee, you can listen here https://play.acast.com/s/breakdownjamalimaddix/stewartlee
This isn’t a review site, it’s a daily blog where I put in whatever I’ve listened to, so anything below isn’t intended as criticism but rather thoughts. There was a lot of stuff I don’t really talk about below that I could relate to – the conversation about how comedians talk to each other, or how Stewart felt when he tried to get paid work at the Comedy Store and realised that wasn’t his world. But this blog is intended to be about the comedy counterculture, rather than that sort of Comedians In Cars Getting Coffee veneration of stand ups, which I’m not really suited to.
Jamali at one point says ‘I don’t know if I could make it in stand up today’, which is hilariously humble of him. When we started, there were more comedians than audience members – there were thousands of people trying to do it and it was a real struggle to keep an identity as a performer or know how to navigate the system. Jamali wasn’t the best comedian or the worst when I first saw him at Jester Jesters, but he knew who he was and he knew what he was trying to get across. He didn’t really care (like I did) if he overran by a couple of minutes or if he rambled a bit, he had the natural energy of a comedian and in time his writing and persona matured. It would be a lot easier for him to make it today
There’s a bit in the podcast where Stewart talks about how British comedy is the best in the world, and Jamali agrees with him – the conversation started with Stewart talking about how he’d never really performed in the USA. So, I always saw Jamali as someone who watched a lot of Def Jam comedy, more than a British comedy fan – but I’m an American comedy obsessive, so the truth most likely lies somewhere inbetween. But as a fan of American comedy over British, SO MANY American comedians are influenced by Stewart Lee. Below is the most recent example I saw:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V97lvUKYisA
Sorry, my lack of technical skills mean the video isn’t in a block as far as I can see, but it’s Tig Notaro telling her Taylor Dane story and borrowing a few crowd control tricks from Stew. After Stew’s appearance on WTF with Marc Maron, he was hot shit on the alternative comedy scene in America and he’d be surprised how that younger generation of alt-comedians venerate him, I’d imagine someone like Kumail Nanjiani is a big fan, most SNL writers, there are a huge number of British comedy obsessives on that comedy scene.
On Political stuff, Jamali and Stew talk a lot about the perception that most comedians are left wing. Stew talks about how right wing newspapers write a story about this every year, and Jamali says something like ‘they’re not even alt-right, there’s just a couple of comedians that mention they vote Tory’. Stewart talks about how the festival circuit was built by hippies to celebrate a European identity. Stewart talks about Paul Nuttal complaining about Johnny and The Baptists making fun of him in publicly funded venues.
So the thing is, journalists like an easy headline, and what Stewart is saying is true but by countering their ideology he’s playing their game. So, every newspaper – whether The Telegraph, The Guardian or The Times are sending reviewers on an all expenses paid trip to Scotland each August looking for the next big thing. Leo Kearse, Geoff Norcott and Andrew Lawrence are a bit middle aged and pasty to fit that, so they get the ‘right wing comedians’ story as a sort of trickle down economics benefit, it’s their 15 minutes of fame. But every year these Newspapers will review Brexit: The Musical (a real thing), Brexit: The Play (there have been plays about it, not so unsubtly named as the musical), 1975 by Kieran Hodgson, Nish Kumar, Ahir Shah being anti-Brexit etc. etc. A young figure in the arts isn’t going to make a balanced argument on the Conservatives or the EU, and by balanced I mean one in which they can be against austerity and against the referendum being called by using historical context. The whole system is built for kids from theatre schools and English lit graduates because they’re the most taught public speakers, and the industry sees that as ‘natural talent’.
Stewart and Jamali talk a lot about Hate Thy Neighbour, Jamali’s show for Vice when he meets racists from around the world. These people are seen as insane by both comedians. I was taught in my degree that the system is always more dangerous than the individual. So Vice was started by Shane Smith, Suroosh Alvi and Gavin McInnes. Gavin wrote the magazine, then left when it became an online and TV venture and Murdoch bought a 5% share, Gavin is now a leading pro-Trump alt-right figure. Vice has gone from being a magazine in Toronto to this multi-billion dollar company that major coporations have a growing stake in and has it’s own agenda. They are happy to give Jamali a chance to do a Louis Theroux, but is this really left-wing in and of itself? There’s just no historical context. Stewart and Jamali talk about the rise of the right in Sweden, but this isn’t a new thing. Sweden was the country that sent the refugees from Latvia and Lithuania back there after World War 2 to be murdered by the Soviet Union they’d fled from. It’s the country where Zlatan Ibrahimovich was treated as scum because he was a refugee from the Balkans living in a council flat. You can go to Stockholm and they’ll tell you everything about social democracy, but enacting it is another matter. Hate Thy Neighbour implies that the ruling centrist parties in Sweden have set up a system where whatever class, race, immigration status or religion people are living together side by side, but it’s not true. Immigrants in Sweden are treated worse than they are here.
I’m rambling.